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Where in scripture?
« on: March 25, 2015, 07:57:11 PM »
Where in scripture does it say that the so called rapture of the church comes before the tribulation?



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Re: Where in scripture?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2015, 05:50:54 PM »
1Th 5:9  For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The tribulation is a time of wrath and we are not appointed to this wrath of God. although we go through times of trouble the tribulation period or the time of Jacobs trouble is a specific tribulation that the church will not go through.

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Re: Where in scripture?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2015, 05:02:17 PM »
That is a very poor attempt.  The wrath we are not appointed to is the Judgment. 

John 16:33  These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Acts 14:22  Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God

 

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Re: Where in scripture?
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2015, 11:13:51 AM »
The wrath here is the wrath the devil will pour out on the world that present day believers will be delivered from because we wont be here:

Rev 12:12  Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

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Re: Where in scripture?
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2015, 06:08:06 PM »
The devil has always had wrath against the church.  The inquisition, for instance. 

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Re: Where in scripture?
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2015, 09:25:40 AM »
that's true but this is a timer of particular wrath also known as Jacobs trouble from which the church will be removed.

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Re: Where in scripture?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2015, 08:19:44 PM »
that's true but this is a time of particular wrath also known as Jacobs trouble from which the church will be removed.

I don't think you can have any scripture evidence to show that the church will be removed. Jacobb' trouble began with the rebellion against the Romans in AD 66 and continues till this day, as a result of the Jews rejecting their saviour and still do to this current time.
This was a result of the curse they brought on themselves when the declared.

Mt 27:25  Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

By the way, welcome back.

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Re: Where in scripture?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2015, 06:36:38 AM »
Thanks for the welcome back  :)

The phrase Jacob's trouble is mentioned only once in scripture and has very definite conditions to go with it. It is found in Jeremiah 30:7. Looking at the context it is used in we can learn some very definite and enlightening things.

1. Israel is in the land having been brought back from captivity. V:3-4. Most of the persecution that has happened to the Jewish people has happened when they have been outside the land of Israel.

2. Verse 4 makes it abundantly plain that the time of Jacob's trouble refers to Israel and the land of Israel. Israel became a country again in 1948 so this could not happen UNTIL Israel became a country again.

3. Israel is freed from bondage and those who take advantage of her so that she can serve the Lord and King David. V:9.

4. Israel returns from captivity and from being scattered from all nations to come into the land of Israel to be at rest. v:1-11.

5. All those who attack and destroy Israel shall be destroyed. :16.

6. This will not happen until in the latter days ye shall consider it." v:24

7. And most importantly the end of Jacobs trouble leads to the Lord blessing Israel and setting them in the land with His blessing. v:18-22.

8. The church is not mentioned in this period and is absent. This is why it will happen in the tribulation seven years as the Church will be taken out to be with the Lord.

Now, tell when this has happened in history before now?
« Last Edit: May 23, 2015, 04:38:14 AM by BibleBeliever »

 

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