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General / Persecuted Saints
« on: May 27, 2018, 05:32:52 PM »
We know Christians are suffering persecution in many parts of the world, but they rarely make the main media.

I have just been reading in the Evangelical Times of US Evangelical Pastor Andrew Brunson, imprisoned in a Turkish jail. 

We sometimes go to France and when there we try to visit France, where there is a small Bible Baptist Church.  The pastor is an American missionary pastor and is
severely disabled.  He is aged over 70, but won't retire until  his health prevents his continuing or there is someone to replace him.  His main ministry is to refugees from central African where there are many wars, ethnic cleansing and religious persecution.  There is a refugee centre nearby where most of his small congregation live. 

General / Should we remember the Reformation?
« on: October 31, 2017, 05:17:02 AM »
Many Baptists say we should remember the reformation, others say we should not.

Our friend a Baptist minister in Wick, Scotland, was preaching in our church last Lord's Day.  He mentioned Luther discovering the doctrine of justification by faith, and then gave a powerful gospel message in the evening on Justification by Faith.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

He has invited all the ministers in the town of Wick, to come to a discussion on the Reformation this evening. 

Bible Discussion / Missionary friend
« on: October 07, 2015, 06:10:54 PM »
We have a friend who is a missionary in Manila, Philippines.  He and his Filipino wife came to Scotland to have their daughter's adoption recognized in the UK.  He was offered three possible temporary pastorates by Grace Baptist Mission but when he arrived two had already called pastors which left the third, Wick. Wick is about as far north in mainland Scotland that you can get without falling into the sea. Wick was the last place he wanted to go to. It is a small mission Baptist Church with five elderly members, mainly women but they are interested in gospel outreach.  In September they returned to Manila and Gilbert has asked the church there to release him to take up the pastorate in Wick.  God works in a mysterious way His wonders to perform.

Bible Discussion / Matthew 24
« on: October 03, 2015, 12:52:04 PM »
Matthew 24 is a continuation of Matthew 23 where Jesus pronounced woe upon the scribes and pharisees.

Matt 23:29  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30  And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31  Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32  Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33  Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 ¶  Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35  That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36  Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37  O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38  Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39  For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Notice that he said all the judgments for the sins of those who killed the prophets would fall on those who would fill up the sins of their fathers by murdering the sinless Son of God.  Their house, the temple would be left desolate.

Having said that, Jesus and his disciples went outside and the disciples admired the stones of the temple.  Jesus then made a statement:
Matt 24:2  And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
 It must have seemed a shocking statement to the disciples, so they asked a question:
3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be?
To which Jesus gave an answer:
34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

A statement, a question, an answer.  Agreeing perfectly with the previous judgment pronounced in Matt 23. 35  That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. and "36  Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation."

General / Europe
« on: September 18, 2015, 07:28:08 PM »
Europe is facing an invasion. Thousands of migrants are pouring in.  17,000 have entered Croatia in the last 36 hours.  No one seems to have a solution but it seems the more that are accepted encourages more to come.  Some, think we should take them all but we are an overcrowded island already.  No one seems to know how to deal with the situation. 

Bible Discussion / Matt 24:31
« on: September 09, 2015, 10:53:40 AM »
Matt 24: 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

What event does the above verse refer to?

Questions for Futurists / Daniel 9
« on: August 25, 2015, 06:08:02 PM »
23  At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
24  Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26  And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I cannot see how anyone can see Antichrist in that scripture.  It does not mention him.  The only person mentioned is Messiah the prince.

General / Windows 10
« on: August 05, 2015, 08:43:14 PM »
Just updated my laptop to Win 10.  Still trying to get the hang of it.

Bible Discussion / My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased
« on: August 04, 2015, 08:31:01 PM »
My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased
Mark 1:9–13

Mark deals very briefly with the baptism and temptation of Jesus (see Matthew 3:13 to 4:11 for a more detailed account). Following his baptism, the Lord Jesus was driven by the Holy Spirit into the wilderness, where he was tempted by Satan for forty days. Though weak in body through lack of food, he did not yield to the enticements of the devil. John baptized those who had repented of their sin (4). Why then did the Lord Jesus submit to baptism when he is sinless and has no need to repent?

•Baptism speaks of identification. When a believer is baptized, he is identified with Jesus in his death and resurrection (Romans 6:3–4). The sinless Lord Jesus took human flesh to identify himself with sinful mankind, being born under the law (Galatians 4:4). The law of God curses and condemns the sinner. Our sin was laid upon Jesus who has redeemed us from the curse of the law through his death at Calvary (Isaiah 53:6; Galatians 3:10–13). God the Father punished him for our sin, making him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him (2.Corinthians 5:21).

• Baptism also speaks of suffering. The baptism of Jesus not only symbolised his identification with us, but also his suffering and death to take away our sin. He spoke of a baptism which was a cup of suffering that he had to endure (10:38; Luke 12:50). The whole of the Trinity was involved in the baptism of Jesus. As the Son came up from the water, the Holy Spirit descended like a dove upon him and the Father spoke from heaven, ‘Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased’ (11). The Father loves the Son (John 3:35) and has accepted him as the perfect substitute to die for sinners. All Christians are accepted in the Beloved (Ephesians 1:6). We are ‘in Christ’ and we are clothed with his righteousness. We are no longer condemned for our sin (Romans 8:1,34). Let us rejoice and give thanks to God for our wonderful salvation/

Pastor Alec Taylor

General / New Guests
« on: July 17, 2015, 12:50:25 PM »
I see at the moment there are 14 guests on line.  Why not resgister and come and join the discussion?

General / Favourite hymns
« on: July 17, 2015, 11:01:31 AM »
Do you have favourite hymns, why not post them here.

Here is one to start.

the source of our salvation,
that He should pay
the penalty for me.
Though He was pure,
a lamb without a blemish,
He took my sins
and nailed them to the tree.

My Lord and God
You are so rich in mercy.
Mere words alone
are not sufficient thanks.
So take my life,
transform, renew and change me
that I might be
a living sacrifice.

2 Consider Christ,
that He could trust His Father
e’en in the garden
of Gethsemane.
Though full of dread
and fearful of the anguish;
He drank the cup
that was reserved for me.

3 Consider Christ,
for death He has defeated.
And He arose,
appeared for all to see.
And now He sits
at God’s right hand in heaven;
where He prepares
a resting place for me.

Bryson Smith, b. 1958
© Emu Music Australia Inc.

We sing it to the Londonderry Air

Bible Discussion / The Date of the Apocalypse.
« on: July 15, 2015, 12:20:44 PM »
By E B Elliott

Part 1
This is my second preliminary point of inquiry;(The first being on the genuiness of the book) and one on which also, I believe, the historical evidence will be found not only ready at hand, but conclusive. For the testimony of Irenreus,—Polycarp's disciple, let it be again remembered, who was himself the disciple of the apostle John,—is as express to the point in question as it is unexceptionable.
Speaking of the name and number of the . Beast in the Apocalypse, he says, that had this been a matter then to be made known, it would have been disclosed  by him who saw the Apocalypse : " for it [the Apocalypse evidently] was seen no very long time ago ; but almost
in our age, towards the end of the reign of Domitian"

The attempts that have been made to get rid of this testimony, and force another meaning on Irenseus' words, by those whose Apocalyptic theories made them wish to do so, seem to me to have utterly failed. It is as clear a testimony on the point it relates to, as there can be found to any other fact in any other historian. Nor is it unsupported by other testimony.—First, Tertullian seems in no dubious manner to indicate this view of the Apocalyptic date. For in his Apology, after specifying Nero's as the first imperial persecution, and this one by the sword, (wherein, as he elsewhere says ,' Paul and Peter suffered, no mention being made of John,) he proceeds to notice Domitian's as the next persecution, and this as one in which Christians suffered by banishment, the well-known punishment inflicted on St. John.  It is evident that Eusebius thus understands Tertulian ; I mean as alluding to St. John's banishment as the act of Domitian.* —Next Clement of Alexandria indirectly, but I think clearly,  confirms the statement. In relating the well-known  story of St. John and the robber, he  peaks of it as acted out by the apostle on his return from exile in Patmos, ''after the death of the tyrant;"  and represents him as at that time an infirm old man.  Now  " the tyrant"
whose death is referred to, must necessarily be either Nero or Domitian ; as these were, up to the end of the first century, the only imperial persecutors of the Christian body. And Nero it can scarcely be : since, at the time of Nero's persecution, St. John was by no means an infirm old man; being probably not much above, if indeed so much as, sixty years of age. Thus it must rather have been the tyrant  was Domitian.  So, in fact, Eusebius expressly explains Clement to mean.  Nor is there anything whatsoever inconsistent with this view of the chronology of the story, so as some have supposed, in Chrysostom's second-hand version
of it ; but the contrary.—Thirdly, Victorinus, Bishop of Pettaw, and martyr in Diocletian's persecution, in a Commentary on the Apocalypse written towards the close of the third century, says twice over expressly, and in a part that bears no mark of interpolation, that the Apocalypse was seen by the Apostle John in the isle of Patmos, when banished thitherby the Roman Emperor Domitian.—To the same effect, fourthly, is the very important testimony of Eusebius.

For, though doubting about the author of the Apocalyptic book, (and in these doubts we see exemplified the free exercise of his independent judgment,) yet, on the date of St. John's banishment to Patraos, he distinctly intimates more than once his agreement with the tradition of the ancients, that referred it to Domitian's persecution : and indeed implies, as is perfectly evident, that he knew of no other tradition whatsoever as to the time of St. John's banishment to Patmos—  The same is the recorded judgment of Jerome, the same of Augustine's friend, Orosius;  the same of Sulpitias Severus}—Once more, we find an unhesitating statement
of similar purport in Primasius; an eminent Augustinian commentator on the Apocalypse, of the sixth century. In his Preface to this Commentary, he speaks of the Apocalyptic visions having been seen by St. John when banished and condemned to the mines in Patmos by the Emperor Domitian.—Other ancient testimonies of less importance might yet be added.
Such is the later and subsidiary Patristic testimony still extant, to the fact of St. John having seen the Apocalyptic visions in Patmos under the reign of Domitian:—a chain
of testimony not to be viewed (so as Tilloch would quite unwarrantably represent it)  as but the repetition of that of Irenius, whom indeed for the most part these writers do not even refer to:  but as their own deliberate independent judgment, formed on all the evidence which
then existed. As to any contrary earhj tradition respecting the date, if such there was, (as Sir I. Newton and Tilloch,still without any warrant of historic record, have assumed,) it can scarcely have been unknown to them. And their total silence respecting it is only explicable on one of two suppositions ;—viz. either that it did not exist ; or that they deemed it undeserving of credit, and not even worth the notice. Nor can this be wondered at : seeing that as to any contrary statement on the point in question, there appears to have been none whatsoever until the time of Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis in Cyprus, in the latter half of the fourth century: a writer commendable indeed, as Dupin says,  " for zeal, learning, and piety, but credulous, indiscriminating, inaccurate; " and whose chief work, "On Heresies," is decried by Mosheim as " full of blots and errors, through the levity and ignorance of the author :"  who moreover, in his statement in that work on this very point,—supposing it correctly given, and not an error of transcription in our copies, —so exemplifies this ignorance, as quite to justify the silent neglect of it by those writers of our catena, viz. Jerome, Orosius Sulpitius, and Prmimasius, who wrote after him. For he speaks of St. John having prophesied when in the isle of Patmos, in the days of the Emperor Claudius: —a time
when, as Michaelis justly observes,  it does not appear from history that there was any imperial persecution of the Christian body whatsoever ; and when moreover the probability
is that of the seven Apocalyptic churches scarce one was as yet in existence, and the Apostle John moreover in no way associated with the district.  But indeed one is almost forced to suspect some strange error in the transcriber. For Epiphanius elsewhere implies John's age to have been ninety at the time of his return from Patmos.'''  And can we suppose that he really thought John to have been nineti/ years old before A.D. 54, which was the latest yearof the life of Claudius, or near seventy when called by Christ to be his disciple?—Besides which strange theory we are reminded by Newton and Tilloch of yet another testimony to the early date of the Apocalypse. The subscription  to a Syriac version of the book, written about the beginning of the sixth century,'- is thus worded ; " The Revelation which was made by God to John the Evangelist in the island of Patmos, whither he was banished by the Emperor
Nero!' But of what value is this opinion, then first broached, as it would appear ?—Or again, of what that of the commentator Arethas, promulgated still two or three centuries later, to the effect that the Apocalypse was written before the destruction of Jerusalem ; an opinion contradicted indeed elsewhere in the body of his work by himself? —Alike the one and the other slept unnoticed for centuries. And, if waked up by critics of a more modern age, it has only been (as Michaelis, we have seen, confesses) from the supposed necessity of such dates, in order to any possible explanation of the Apocalyptic prophecies-  It does not need that I discuss at all prominently certain points of indirect and subsidiary historical evidence, in favour of an early date, which these writers have also called in to their aid. A sufficient notice of them will be found below: and it will appear that they all, like the direct testimony just discussed, prove weak and worthless on examination.  Nor will the only other evidence offered on their side, evidence internal m its character, and which has been urged of late years with great earnestness and some effect  by Dr. Tilloch and others, after Sir Isaac and Bishop Newton,—be found at all better able to bear examination.

Bible Discussion / 1917
« on: June 22, 2015, 12:36:56 PM »

Above is link to a modern Arabic telephone keypad.  What, may you ask, is the connection to the Bible?

The connection is this coin.

The dates are 1917 and 1335.

Back in about 1890, Henry Grattan Guinness, a great interpreter of prophecy according to the Historic system, wrote a book called "Light for the Last Days."  In  it he interpreted the 1335 days of Daniel, to be 1335 years.  He said it referred for some  turning back of the Turkish Empire but he didn't know what.  He died in 1910.  In December 1917, Allenby marched into Jerusalem thus effectively ending the Turkish Empire. 1917 is 1335 in the Muslim calendar.

The Trail of Blood / A history of apocalyptic interpretation
« on: June 17, 2015, 07:21:05 PM »
I am posting this to show a scholarly attempt to record how the church through the ages interpreted the book of Revelation.  The early church disagreed on many things but there were somethings  which most agreed on and we should probably take heed of those as.  There was a post sometime ago which said Clement believed in a future temple and I said I thought he could be referring to the church as Peter and Paul both show that the temple is the church.  I also believe that Wesley referred to the same when he said "never more your temples leave."

The article is quite long and the author splits it into several periods starting with John to Constantine and ending with the French Revolution to the then current year, 1862. The first edition was in 1844.   I haven't as yet read all of it, but I hope to get around to if soon.

General / Bakers guilty of 'gay cake' discrimination
« on: May 20, 2015, 07:39:11 PM »
Bakers guilty of 'gay cake' discrimination in N Ireland.

Gay marriage is illegal in Northern Ireland.

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